Moms get judged a lot—by the church, by one another, by employers, and by themselves. On this episode of our summer series, Unapologetic Hot Takes, Julia explains the difference between guilt and shame, how to know if mom guilt is real guilt, and how to take corrective action. Her hot take? Working moms are good moms, too. 

Julia is joined by former ABC anchor and best-selling author Paula Faris to discuss mom guilt, mom shame, freedom in Christ, being a working mom, and why families are essential in the workplace. All throughout this episode Paula and Julia share personal stories of raising kids in the middle of pursuing their God-given gifts and callings. They wrap up their conversation by calling out the church, the workplace, and culture on legalism, sexism, and how expectations can get in the way of women thriving and fulfilling their God-given calling.

Paula’s book, You Don’t Have to Carry it All is out now! Check out her media company for working moms, Carry Media, or follow her on Instagram!